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USA Actually achieved its objective and won the Vietnam War

Next Big Future, September 15, 2017
In order to determine who won and who lost the war it asks three questions
(1) what was the goals of the involved parties.
(2) What price did they have to pay?
(3) The overall assessment of the war.
A- Goals of Involved Parties

1. According to the Pentagon Papers (Pentagon Papers is a nearly 4,000-page top-secret Pentagon study of US government decision-making in relation to the Vietnam War from 1945 to 1967. The document was declassified on May 5, 2011, and has been on display at the Library of President Nixon in California. ), the US got involved in the Vietnam War to encompass Communist China, not to help defend South Viet Nam’s independence, which was the ruse for the US containment strategy at the time.

2. The North Vietnam’s goal was to “liberate” South Viet Nam by force and to use it as a springboard to spread International Communism throughout Southeast Asia, which was also Ho Chi Minh’s goal since 1932 when he was the leader of the Indochinese Communist Party. Le Duan, Secretary General of the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV), who was believed to have said, “We fight the Americans for the USSR and China”, must have followed this goal to the letter. If so, the statement represented the true mission of the Communist leaders.

3. The goal of the South Vietnamese leaders was to defend the country’s independence and sovereignty. Since the North Vietnamese Communists enjoyed maximum supports from the USSR, China, the Eastern European Communist Block, and even Cuba, South Viet Nam had no other choice but accepted assistances from the United States and other capitalist countries to fight against the Communist invasion.

1. Communist China did not spread communism beyond Vietnam [Laos and Cambodia]. Therefore the USA won.

This issue goes to the Domino Theory. The domino theory was a theory prominent from the 1950s to the 1980s, that posited that if one country in a region came under the influence of communism, then the surrounding countries would follow in a domino effect. The domino theory was used by successive United States administrations during the Cold War to justify the need for American intervention around the world.

In May 1954, the Viet Minh, a Communist and nationalist army, defeated French troops in the Battle of Dien Bien Phu and took control of what became North Vietnam. This caused the French to fully withdraw from the region then known as French Indochina, a process they had begun earlier. The regions were then divided into four independent countries (North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos) after a deal was brokered at the 1954 Geneva Conference to end the First Indochina War.

The primary evidence for the domino theory is the spread of communist rule in three Southeast Asian countries in 1975, following the communist takeover of Vietnam: South Vietnam (by the Viet Cong), Laos (by the Pathet Lao), and Cambodia (by the Khmer Rouge). It can further be argued that before they finished taking Vietnam prior to the 1950s, the communist campaigns did not succeed in Southeast Asia. Note the Malayan Emergency, the Hukbalahap Rebellion in the Philippines, and the increasing involvement with Communists by Sukarno of Indonesia from the late 1950s until he was deposed in 1967. All of these were unsuccessful Communist attempts to take over Southeast Asian countries which stalled when communist forces were still focused in Vietnam.

Walt Whitman Rostow and the then Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Kuan Yew have argued that the U.S. intervention in Indochina, by giving the nations of ASEAN time to consolidate and engage in economic growth, prevented a wider domino effect.

McGeorge Bundy argued that the prospects for a domino effect, though high in the 1950s and early 1960s, were weakened in 1965 when the Indonesian Communist Party was destroyed via CIA-supported death squads in the Indonesian Genocide.

The CIA denies active involvement in the killings 400,000 to 3 million] in Indonesia. It was later revealed that the US government provided extensive lists of communists to Indonesian death squads.
Proponents believe that the efforts during the containment (i.e. Domino Theory) period ultimately led to the demise of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.

Was the Indonesian genocide needed to achieve the containment of communism ?
If North Vietnam had been allowed to conquer the South without US military involvement could it have been contained with other means ? Would Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos have gone after Thailand or Indonesia ?

2. North Vietnam was a loser, because they did not spread communism. They did win one goal of getting control of South Vietnam.

3. Republic of Vietnam was the loser because it surrendered unconditionally on April 30, 1975.

Long View
China’s economic reforms began in 1978. Nixon opening up to China, the death of Mao and Deng shifting China’s economy meant the unwinding of real communism in China.

China is now successfully spreading its influence but not exporting communism.

Vietnam economy enjoyed remarkable achievements in the first 20 years of economic renovation (Doi Moi) from 1986 to 2006. Notably, the economy grew at an average annual rate of 7.5% in 1991-2000 period. Vietnam’s Amended Constitution 1992 recognized the role of private sector in the economy. U.S.-Vietnam Trade Bilateral Agreement (US-BTA) was signed in 2001. The country’s stock market made debut trading in 2000. Vietnam became a member of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in 1995, then proceeded to full membership of the World Trade Organization in 2007, following which registered foreign direct investment (FDI) reached an all-time high of US$71.7 billion in 2008.

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Le 14/09/2017 à Strasbourg, l’UE a voté à l’unanimité la résolution pour le Cambodge concernant le cas de M. Kem Sokha. Le document de cette résolution est en pièce jointe.

On 14/09/2017, Strasbourg, the EU voted unanimously the resolution for Cambodia concerning Mr. Kem Sokha’s case. The document of this resolution is attached.

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Typhoon tears across Vietnam, skirting key coffee region

Palm trees are seen while the Doksuri storm hits in Ha Tinh province, Vietnam September 15, 2017. REUTERS/Kham

By Kham Nguyen and Minh Nguyen, Reuters  15 September 2017

Palm trees are seen while the Doksuri storm hits in Ha Tinh province, Vietnam September 15, 2017. REUTERS/Kham

HA TINH, Vietnam (Reuters) – A typhoon tore a destructive path across central Vietnam on Friday, flooding hundreds of thousands of homes, whipping off roofs and knocking out power in the country’s most powerful storm in years.

Four people were killed, more than 5,000 houses were submerged, 19 collapsed and nearly 24,000 houses in Ha Tinh, Quang Tri and Thua Thien-Hue provinces were damaged, the disaster agency said in a report.

Ha Tinh and Quang Binh provinces bore the brunt of Typhoon Doksuri and power cuts were widespread after winds brought down or damaged thousands of electricity poles, trees and billboards. A television tower in Ha Tinh province collapsed.

“There has never been a storm of level nine or 11 that lasted for eight hours straight like this one, causing quite large damage,” agriculture minister Nguyen Xuan Cuong told state-run Vietnam Television.

More than 116,000 people had been evacuated from Vietnam’s densely populated coastal strip in preparation for Doksuri. Winds exceeded 130 km (80 miles) per hour and were expected to weaken as the storm heads to Laos.

An uprooted tree is seen on a street after Typhoon Doksuri hits Sanya, Hainan province, China September 15, 2017. REUTERS/Stringer 

“It looks terrible, worse than war time,” said Tran Thi Hong, principal of the Ky Xuan kindergarten in Ha Tinh province, which lost its entire roof. “I could just cry, it took us so long to build this school,” she said.

Four fishing boats sank in Quang Ngai province, the disaster committee report said. Many fishermen had dragged their small wooden boats into the streets of coastal towns to try to stop them from being carried away.

Around 40 flights were cancelled between the capital, Hanoi, in northern Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh City, the commercial hub in the south.

The eye of the storm skirted Vietnam’s most important coffee growing areas and the rains it brought were largely seen as beneficial to the trees, coffee traders said. Rice farmers had rushed to gather in what they could before Doksuri struck.

Vietnam often suffers from destructive storms. Floods in northern Vietnam killed at least 26 people and washed away hundreds of homes in August. Last year, more than 200 people were killed in storms.

(Additional reporting by Mai Nguyen and Mi Nguyen; Writing by Matthew Tostevin; Editing by Nick Macfie)

People recover motorbikes from a flooded fields while the Doksuri storm hits in Ha Tinh province, Vietnam September 15, 2017. REUTERS/Kham

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Pich Sros called to court to clarify Ley complaint

Cambodian Youth Party President Pich Sros stands outside the Phnom Penh Municipal Court yesterday after being summonsed to provide details in a lawsuit filed against several activists. Photo supplied

Yon Sineat, The Phnom Penh Post
Fri, 15 September 2017

Pich Sros, president of the Cambodian Youth Party (CYP), appeared before Phnom Penh Municipal Court yesterday for questioning over his complaint against activist monk But Buntenh, independent media advocate Pa Nguon Teang and labour rights activist Moeun Tola.

“The prosecutor called me in to ask questions, to expand more on my complaint and the purpose of my complaint,” Sros said outside of court yesterday.

The complaint stems from allegations that Buntenh, Nguon Teang and Tola embezzled money raised for the late Kem Ley’s funeral stupa, following the political analyst’s assassination.

“After the funeral and ceremony [the family] only had $4,000 to $5,000 … Kem Ley got support from between two to three million people. Why don’t they have more money?” Sros added.

Tola, the director of NGO Central, denied any wrongdoing in handling funds to honour Ley.

“I don’t know who [Sros] is. He’s not involved in the funeral committee and he’s not a relative of Kem Ley,” Tola said.

“The committee only planned logistics and provided the idea to organise the funeral … We did not keep or receive donations,” he said, adding that he has not yet been contacted by the court.

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